For more than forty years, Wendell Berry has worked his family farm in Kentucky the old-fashioned way, using horses as much as possible and producing much of his own food. And he has published more than forty books, writing by hand in the daylight to reduce his reliance on electricity derived from strip-mined coal. Berry has been called a “prophet” by the New York Times, and his Jeffersonian values are so old they can appear startlingly new. His strong pro-environment position has made him something of a cult hero on the Left, as have his antiwar sentiments, which have grown sharper over the years. His 1987 essay “Why I Am Not Going to Buy a Computer,” published in Harper’s, led some to accuse him of being antitechnology, a Luddite. For his part, Berry has criticized environmentalists for not working to protect farms as well as wilderness. His stout self-reliance and unabashed use of moral and religious language in his writing have endeared him to a number of conservatives, even as his stance against corporate globalization has drawn criticism from others. But these apparent contradictions don’t seem to bother Berry one whit...
Fearnside: Stopping by a local eatery on the way
here, I asked people what they might want to ask you. Henry County is
small, they noted, and farming isn’t very profitable anymore. So, why
did you stay when you could have left for, as one waitress put it,
“glitz and glamour” elsewhere?
Berry: I just happen to have no appetite for glitz
and glamour. I like it here. This place has furnished its quota of
people who’ve helped each other, cared for each other, and tried to be
fair. I have known some of them, living and dead, whom I’ve loved
deeply, and being here reminds me of them. This has given my days a
quality that they wouldn’t have had if I’d moved away.
There have been some good farmers here. The way of farming that I
grew up with was conservative in the best sense. I learned a lot from
people in Henry County. Probably all my most influential teachers lived
here, when you get right down to it. I owe big debts to teachers in
universities, to literary influences, and so on. But it’s the people you
listened to as a child whose influence is immeasurable — especially
your grandparents, your parents, your older friends. I’ve paid a lot of
attention to older people. Of course, not a lot of people here are older
than I am anymore, but some are, and I still love to listen to them, to
my immense improvement and pleasure.
Fearnside: What are some of the things that they
say?
Berry: They tell stories. They talk about
relationships. They talk about events that have stuck in their minds.
The most important thing is not what they say, but the way they
talk. We had a local pattern of speech at one time. Now we’re running
out of people who speak it. But there were once people here whose speech
was uninfluenced by the media, and it had an immediacy, a loveliness
when it was intelligently used, and a great capacity for humor.
Fearnside: A good friend of mine told me that she
knows people from Kentucky who have trained themselves not to speak like
Kentuckians.
Berry: That was the main goal of the school system:
to stop you from talking like a “hick” and get you to speak standard
American.
Fearnside: When you speak of what the elders here in
Henry County discuss, it reminds me of a line from Barry Lopez’s
short-story collection Winter Count: “That is all that is
holding us together, stories and compassion.”
Berry: I don’t think we’re just stories — we’re
living souls, too — but we’d be nothing without stories. Of course,
stories that belong to a landscape are different from stories that
don’t. In Arctic Dreams Lopez talks about how the Eskimos, the
native Alaskan people, have a cultural landscape — the landscape as they
know it — that is always a little different from the actual landscape,
which nobody ever will fully know.
In a functioning culture the landscape is full of stories. Stories
adhere to it. And they’re most interesting when they’re told within the
landscape. If, say, an oral-history project records somebody’s story and
puts it in the university archives, then it’s a different story. It’s
become isolated, misplaced, displaced.
Fearnside: You’re a well-known advocate for local
economies, yet you write for a much-wider-than-local audience, which
means you must rely on the machinery of the corporate world to get your
message out. Is there a contradiction in this, or is it simply an
inescapable paradox that you must be pragmatic about?
Berry: There are contradictions in it, no doubt
about that. There’s an absolutely lethal contradiction in my driving and
flying around to talk about conservation and local economies. But you
have to live in the world the way it is. You can’t declare yourself too
good for it and move away. You have to carry the effort wherever you can
take it. You’ve got to have allies. The thought of the Committees of
Correspondence in the American Revolution is never very far from my
mind. People have to stay in touch somehow. They have to meet and talk.
They have to support each other. But that’s a network, not a community.
Fearnside: I was fortunate once to participate in a
barn raising in Idaho. It was an incredible experience of community.
With the help of friends and neighbors, using mostly hand-held tools, a
couple raised a barn in a day and a half.
Berry: The Amish do it in a day. They belong to a
traditional culture that, for a long time, has steadfastly put the
community first.
Fearnside: I’ve noticed that the Amish seem less
self-conscious than most Americans. Why do you think this is so?
Berry: I’d say that in their community, honesty is
the norm. One of the most striking things about the Amish is that their
countenances are open. We pity Muslim women for wearing veils, yet
almost every face in this country is veiled by suspicion and fear. You
can’t walk down a city street and get anybody to look at you. People’s
countenances are undercover operations here.
Fearnside: While traveling in the Xinjiang Province
of China — which is predominantly Uyghur, a traditional Muslim culture —
I was struck by the people’s openness. In particular, the children
radiated gaiety and health, just as Amish children do.
Berry: The Amish children are raised at home by two
parents. They’re given little jobs to do from the time they’re able to
walk, and they’re important to the family economy. They have rules.
They’re secure. There are things that they’re not allowed to do. There’s
something pitiful about American children who are left to invent a
childhood on their own with one parent or none, no community, no
relatives, and nothing useful to do. They don’t even go into the woods
and hunt.
Fearnside: I fear that my generation may be the last
to grow up outdoors. I used to roam for hours, hiking through the
fields and woods or bicycling down country roads, completely
unsupervised, which is unheard of today. Nowadays a kid is going to grow
up sitting in front of a computer screen or listening to an iPod, not
climbing trees or even playing ball in the street.
Berry: Young people around here don’t come to the
river to swim or fish anymore. Of course, an alarming percentage of
Kentucky streams aren’t fit for swimming or fishing.
Fearnside: It seems that we’ve been separated from
our local communities by radio, television, and now the Internet.
Because these forces come from outside the communities, they often don’t
reflect the communities’ values. How can we stay plugged in to
information and yet preserve our local connections?
Berry: I don’t know. There’s not much you can do,
unless you want to disconnect yourself from those electronic gadgets. I
pretty much do. Tanya and I haven’t had a television for a long time;
people used to give tv
sets to our children, because they felt sorry for us. I think we were
given three over the years. I listen to the radio some. I don’t have a
computer, and I almost never see a movie. To me this isolation is
necessary. It keeps my language available to me in a way that I don’t
think it would be if I were full of that public information all the
time.
Fearnside: My wife and I enjoy watching movies on dvd, but we find that most
mass-media offerings aren’t worth our time.
Berry: To make yourself a passive receptacle for
information, or whatever anybody wants to pour into you, is a bad idea.
To be informed used to be a meaningful experience; it meant “to be
formed from within.” But information now is just a bunch of disconnected
data or entertainment and, as such, may be worthless, perhaps harmful.
As T.S. Eliot wrote a long time ago, information is different from
knowledge, and it has nothing at all to do with wisdom.
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